tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post5948687472705735379..comments2023-05-16T20:37:25.510+10:00Comments on art and etc: copy? right?ronniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02260679591630131813noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-36405214158866093582012-01-28T12:40:41.657+11:002012-01-28T12:40:41.657+11:00Amen. You put into words my own sentiments. I have...Amen. You put into words my own sentiments. I have had a creative commons license on my blog since I started (i don't have the readership or the issues with theft you do, by far) but I do think I have usually gotten attribution when i'm quoted or a blog post is linked.Susie Mondayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240460395152571506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-86668616403035836572012-01-22T16:35:42.230+11:002012-01-22T16:35:42.230+11:00Thanks for the post Ronnie - you have had a couple...Thanks for the post Ronnie - you have had a couple of shockers as experiences go. To the best of my knowledge (and it's possibly because I don't know where to look or how to find out) I have not been 'used' in the same way. All of the examples are terrible and bad. I like the creative commons approach - like you I think we grow by sharing and learning; but not by stealing. I think the net is scary with regard to how quickly things can leave your hands and be gone and you de-identified as the owner/maker/producer; but we have to find ways to deal with.Fiona Dempsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275413906419343228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-83453517037788725362012-01-21T20:51:25.184+11:002012-01-21T20:51:25.184+11:00I find that most people, often unless they've ...I find that most people, often unless they've had work commercially published themselves, have little understanding about copyright issues. The mind boggles at some of what I've heard from people I know who really should know better.<br /><br />Although the things you described are just plain nefarious. Ugh! I only once--that I know of--had someone present my exact words as her own in the press, and it was a pretty lousy feeling. But peanuts compared to your lousy experiences.<br /><br />And thanks for the warning about exhibition waivers. I'd never heard of that. It seems like just when you think things can't get any slimier...!<br /><br />Yet, as you note, it is indeed complicated. This was such a good, well-rounded post on such a difficult topic. <br /><br />I'm also heartened by the support from the Australians I know against SOPA and PIPA. We leery Americans appreciate the moral support!Paper Chipmunk (aka Ellen)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15014954266777016841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-71752545283241537762012-01-21T12:03:43.265+11:002012-01-21T12:03:43.265+11:00Sweetpea sent me here (yay!) because I too am an o...Sweetpea sent me here (yay!) because I too am an oft-pirated artist. One that still sticks in my craw was a student who made copies of my handout and put them in kits (I HATE kits!) as her own, selling them wholesale... not one changed word, plus all my drawings. But here's the thing, I was already on to the next phase of my art and teaching. I'm going to write a post on this subject later today. In the meantime, thanks so much for yours! I'm glad to know about CC. And I agree with you about SOPA.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700778413231259614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-53606400663409305492012-01-21T09:37:14.155+11:002012-01-21T09:37:14.155+11:00Its very easy to be casual until one is stung.... ...Its very easy to be casual until one is stung.... then, how it riles!<br />We are in a dodgy world I reckon Ronnie when it comes to this issue. <br />MInd you... I am amazed how often art dealers go to court charged with selling the same art works several times... and for whopping big prices! Known dealers courting a public profile... wanting ongoing serious business.<br />Seems to me that although there might be some downright crooks and idiots out there... some might get a wakeup and not want to be so careless again if they were to get a notice directly... have it pointed out how it is infringing on another.<br /><br />ON a good note... there was a very simple, small image of a lotus that Mexican Illustrator Geninne .... (I've forgotten her surname) created... it was included in a post I did, with her full permission, 3 yrs ago. Because Apartment Therapy in LA picked up this post, got my permission and gave credit to me, then referred it on I have a huge lot of visits to that post. YOu have no idea show many people have written to me to get permission to use Gennine's image because they've assumed me the owner via google. Every time I tell them...no, its not mine... go to Gennine and ask her please. They've been polite and taken time to get to me... and I thank them for it. <br />I am horrified that a literary festival could not be bothered... and magazines... well yes ...I dealt with that one in the 90's when I had a shopfront in Melbourne!<br /><br />In 2010 I found I kept coming up against things that had an all too familiar look or sound to them... and when I read on a local blog someone was suddenly starting a project with similar aims to my very publicly stated one I was horrified. This person had tried to come and pick my brains...but their manner has not been right form the start. <br />Its not uncommon for people to be working in the same turf...but when the wording, imagery or direction are too familiar...one certainly sits up!<br />Mind you their project seemed to run out of steam quite quickly.<br /><br />I find the more complex the work I do there's a decrease in how easily it can be accessed compared to years ago when i did work with much more broad appeal ... I seemed to be more of a target then thats for sure.<br />But half the time we may quite easily not even know!<br />great post Ronnie... Go strong! Interestingly... one is never too remote or isolated when it comes to being subject to this kind of scenario!<br />SSophie Munnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02797068983613314554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-86436497259757206492012-01-21T08:09:19.553+11:002012-01-21T08:09:19.553+11:00good thinking here. it's happened to me, and a...good thinking here. it's happened to me, and as someone with few internet skills, i was puzzled and a bit "stuck" (as in what do i do?) i deliberately don't publish my best photos of finished work on the blog. works in progress, i do. i don't know what i will do when/if i build a proper website. there is wonderful sharing in this community, i notice three writers here whose work and thinking have "fertilized" my own. it seems to me it often comes down to good manners, and corporations seem to have the worst manners of all (besides politicians).Velma Bolyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12446502295849533888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-16221404485365950602012-01-21T06:56:21.042+11:002012-01-21T06:56:21.042+11:00Very well stated. I've gone the CC license ro...Very well stated. I've gone the CC license route myself. I almost always give permission on my photos with attribution, but it really bugs me when I find them out there and I have not done so. So far my other artwork has not been copied, as far as I know. SOPA was badly written and a good example of overreach. Something should be done but not at the expense of free speech.Lauriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607467794651542046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-28188826700274358672012-01-21T06:44:42.479+11:002012-01-21T06:44:42.479+11:00you've nailed it very well, i think.
i've...you've nailed it very well, i think. <br />i've lost count of the times i've found my images in odd places, or where people have cheerfully photographed pages from my books and put great chunks up on their sites. well-intentioned, some of it [as reviews] but others i'm not so sure about.<br />and LOTS of folks presenting techniques i've invented as their idea with instructions etc...except that i'm not so silly i can't recognise my own "turns of phrase". <br /><br />there was an artist in England who after attending a class with me created "dye worksheets" and put them up as pdfs [on the net] signed copyright and tagged "devised by _____[insert name]". Murdoch Books had their legal counsel send her a kind letter.<br />and there's a plant-dye textile business in northern NSW producing similar work to mine. i have no problem with that, many people do so since i've published the tricks, it's what happens. but when i open a magazine and read an article about them and the words are literally how i describe my work and experience of making, then my vision does tend to develop a bit of red spotting around the peripherals.<br /><br />it's tricky. in this whirled we have to put ourselves on the line if we want to work/eat/pay bills. as you say, the Electricity Company won't accept veggies.<br /><br />thanks for opening the discussionindia flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510066677833871579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-35593126686189494982012-01-20T08:59:00.831+11:002012-01-20T08:59:00.831+11:00P.S. and as luck would have it, my word verificati...P.S. and as luck would have it, my word verification for my comment above was "frecrop" - HA!Sweetpeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08000313813136860758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-50622786931916769182012-01-20T08:58:00.181+11:002012-01-20T08:58:00.181+11:00Ronnie, I read your blog often but have rarely com...Ronnie, I read your blog often but have rarely commented (sorry for that) but this post really deserves a public Thumb's Up! Thank you for writing it - I can tell it took much thought & deliberation. Mostly I want to tell you how timely this is for me. I've been on a bit of mental rampage this week over the "stealing" ("borrowing"?) of images from my blog - those Pinterest folks being the worse offenders. At least 10 downloads per day. Although on the one hand I'm flattered they bother, on the other, like you, I wonder, "heh, couldn't you just ask???" <br /><br />So I'm in deep thinking mode about what to do. Your post has given me more leaven for the bread. I'm still not sure what will transpire my rampage but changes are certainly afoot...<br /><br />Thanks again for this very wonderful - and helpful - post. On we go!<br /><br />ChristiSweetpeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08000313813136860758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786182111675568241.post-54359106075927403932012-01-20T01:29:31.184+11:002012-01-20T01:29:31.184+11:00thanks for this. i've been thinking a lot abou...thanks for this. i've been thinking a lot about it in light of the craziness going on here, and really appreciate your weighing of all sides of the issues and their ramifications. plus! it reminded me of a story that i forgot to include in my book, about how i met a buddhist nun in korea who was also the victim of that kind of robbery (her art was bought, re-signed, and presented as someone else's in a grand solo exhibit). you're right that it won't stop, but that it is important for us to fight, to protest. even when the fine print gets so confusing.aimeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02748312825417927379noreply@blogger.com